If you look at the stats, they use far more electricity..the ones I just looked at on the Green Site do and they are not inexpensive. etc,. The EdenPure heater uses 1500 Watts. Many people who complain about heat pump performance (it blows cold air, it's expensive to operate, etc.) This listing includes patent applications that are pending as well as patents that have already been granted by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). Manufacturers of electric space heaters want you to believe that using one of their devices will lower your heating bill. What a bunch of scam artists. For under $100, you can buy a better-looking, better-built heater that will serve your needs for years to come. If you have 5000 BTU, you can comfortably heat a space around 100-200 sq.ft with outside temperature of 20-30 F and typical insulation. My complaints is that I place my order 4 weeks ago still no shipment (endnpure.com states 5 to 10 dyas) & cust service does not respond to email and closed half the time. And, regardless of what someone said about 1500 watts is 1500 watts and is going to heat the same area, that is not what I have read and have posted (copied and pasted from advertisements). About 8 years ago, I got an estimate for ZONE HEATING for my home including the garage. Like EdenPure it uses the same technology, 'infrared quartz tube + PTC'.this is what gives the heaters the longevity. the other heater 1 year old the heater tube burned out' I saved $200.00 in heating bills , but spent 300.00 more on electricity. I was about to order an eden pure online when I saw this site and decided to read consumer comments first. I live on a mountain in Colorado. You just lay it loose on top so nothing touches it. A radiant barrier works best in the attic. This scam reminds me of Obama: you can pretty much lie and say anything you want for a long time and get away with it ! Download PDF manuals for your EdenPURE product. The BTU (British Thermal Unit) was developed for flame based heat, not electricity. THIS is the reason the heating companies have zone heating. Doubled Electric bill, no effect on gas consuption. I've had my EdenPure for over 10 years and it's still going strong. Qualifying programs are: Capacity Bidding Program (CBP)* - available for residential customers. (FYI: the same goes for room air conditioners.). Patents by Inventor Bill Burkett. I cannot comment about the energy saving from the Edenpure Gen 4 as it quit working about 2+ months after it was purchased on EBay from Bass Pro Outlets. Edenpure tried to be disingenuously suggestive. Christo T 575 subscribers Subscribe 87K views 5 years ago How to change the Thermostat settings on Bradford. The Air King 8132 1500 watt ceramic space heater covers areas up to 150 square feet. He had to pay 25 bucks to ship it. 1500 watts of electric heat will cost you the same in a $20.00 heater, or a ripoff $400.00 one. That's right. I don't know where the originator here got the cubic feet, but that is not from the EdenPure advertisiing. It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. I'm very disapointed and feel very stupid that I did not google this until now. Caveat emptor. I chose not to not knowing how high those three months would be. I spent aA LOT of time researching!! Plus, as someone else said, there are varied types of heat. That was going to be a total of 5-6 zones. As the . Well, come to my house, put you hands in front of each item and we will see which one you pull away from first! It will cost more. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 20, 2012: Ritamarie, thank you for the lengthy comment. Out of stock at this time though. Energy savings will be the same either way. The USA has turned into a scam hotbed. No complaints at all. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 12, 2011: Cold in Mass, you can only run your heater 1 1/2 hours at .17 a kilowatt, not all night. FACT: Nonsense. They, too, use energy, but not . The Amazon vendor that sells the $15.99 Lasko heater shown above wants $27.00 shipping! And stop blaming others if you buy the wrong product because you did't do your homework. If a company goes out of its way to rectify a customers complaint, it not only does away with the complaint but provides a more loyal customer than if the cause of the complaint had never happened. And the glaring discrepancy between SCI's unsubstantiated bulb life claims and what consumers are reporting about the actual bulb life with the Edenpure products shows that SCI's claims have no basis in fact. Also in the month I ran the Edenpure unit I saw an increase of about 8% on my electric bill versus the radiator unit. Also the actual cost for Endenpure gen 4 is $397 (2010 cost) refurbished 374.00 so there are models that are returned for a savings $23.00. Look at fuel price comparisons, you'll see that electric heat is by far the most expensive. Second is that you can lower your thermastat while only heating an inner room. The EdenPURE heater is several times as expensive as other infrared electric heaters. Oil heaters transfer heat by convection. They promote using zone heating to save money. There not trying to rip you off or scam you. You could heat an inner room to 70 degrees with the EdenPure for maybe $60/month ($0.15/kWh * 12 hrs/day * 30 days) while dropping the thermastat on the rest of the house to 50 degrees, reducing your heating bill by 40% (assuming avg temp outside is 20 degrees) saving $200/month on natural gas, thereby saving you about $140/month overall! But using ANY space heater will lower your heating bill if you turn your thermostat down! I've purchased similar heaters at Home Depot, in recent years, for about &10.00. ritamarie , you're wrong on so many levels. so I'm told we will send you another RFH I don't think so on the customer service center letterhead it states OUR GOAL IS IOO% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. But remember Edenpure didn't directly claim they would save you money, that was just the testimonials that they scattered throughout the infomercial which claimed savings. Has anyone specifically gone from a traditional electric space heater (ONLY) to an Eden and found an improvement in their electric bill? It claims 1000 s f for the gen 4 and it will do that just as well as most heaters. The EdenPURE performer the same as my $50 Lasko electric heater. long time no see stevo it took me ages to find it this is there contact, and some info ,ring them for advice ,say mick give you there number. I have been in this house for 10 years, so in 10 years, I have spent just in those 3 months alone $15,000. All I did was laugh when the very reputable heating and air company in our town quoted this amount. They definitely do state 1000 SQ.FT., not cubic feet.I really don't need you to explain to me the difference in cubic feet and square feet. Most water heaters include a label listing the annual. Here are the facts - 1) Duct loss in a basement is not always a bad thing , if your basement is too cold you risk freezing pipes so if the temp. Heating water accounts for approximately 15 percent of a home's energy use. That's common sense. It does nor really matter what type of heat source is used: gas, electric, oil, wood, solar, wind etc. Smart Thermostats. the unfortunate part is, that double-wide homes MANY TIMES (not always) have poor ductwork systems (leaky or poor quality ductwork) or inexpensive heat pump systems. sellers and buyers must dedicate ourselves to paying the cost of doing the right thing or the one who doesn't dissappears. Signed Mad from South Dakota and hope there is some kind of class action suit taken against Eden Pure and their misleading clan. 2) People keep saying a BTU is a BTU and you can't get more energy out of electricity than is put in. CLAIM: With the EdenPure the temperature will not vary in any part of the room. Yes, it is not as fast as any heater with a blower, however having that even heat is much more comfortable and healthy. This content is accurate and true to the best of the authors knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. They make for a much more comfortable room than ceiling fans. Enjoyed reading all the above comments, all valid points, but with all the back and forth opinions, I feel like I've been watching a tennis match. Options depend on your purchase amount, and a down payment may be required. The E.P. Even a child knows that hot air rises. Otherwise, save yourself about $400 and pick one up from Lowe's. It seems the less expensive ones will not last as long (20,000hrs vs 80,000hrs, for the more expensive. I bought the Gen4, have it in the living room in the center of the 1250 sq feet, and I have not turned on my heater. I cannot tell you if the heater is worth it or not, because they will not answer the phone once you place an order. We tried their medium wings and a couple of the burgers. of insurance. You'll love it. Perrysburg, Ohio and go home with your product the same day. Investigations into his military service led to the Killian documents controversy. Nice flat spot for debris. Also the heat is much nicer than baseboard heat- it feels warm and it stays comfortable. You don't need an EdenPURE product to close vents around your home, not in use. I am lucky to have a couple of working ones, they do help, but after reading all the electric experts and cost of cheaper 1500w heaters, I must sadly say, I have been scamed. There was an ad/coupon in the Sunday paper and then I caught the informercial on tv and felt I had found a good thing. I use the original carton for storing my heater in the off months. Installing a water heater replacement costs between $845 and $1,698, or an average of $1,271, for a tank-based unit and labor. I called the customer service number 1-888-294-0280 and never spoke to anyone after being on hold for hours and I even left my home number and they never returned my call after being assured they would call. 1) If a person commenting on this site is in the HVAC business they are automatically biased against EdenPURE because it competes with their services. The machine shot out sparks. An electric heater is an electrical device that converts an electric current into heat. PUT A THRMOSTAT IN EACH LARGE ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE THEN INSTALL A SWITCHER TO CONTROL EACH THERMOSTAT IT CUT MY BILL IN HALF. [5], Burkett's claims about the origins of the documents have since changed several times. Build a mounting box out of 2 x 4 lumber and 3/4-inch plywood that will allow you to mount the new tankless water heater about four inches out from the wall. It costs me about $2.00 per day to heat my house with Eden Pure. Do not take my word for it call yourself 1-800-294-0280 and see if you can get through. Furnaces. Now she is crying the blues because she could have applied the outrageous price of the heaters and their exhorbitant use of electricity, to her regular heat bill. Several EdenPURE heaters have been tested and compared against Lasko electric heaters. The problem lays, as always, in Sales and Marketing (or Greed and Misleading), that makes EdenPure a hype from the cost vs.value point of view. It can be on all of the time or set it to the temp you want to keep it at. A 1500-watt heater will produce at most 5000 BTUs. Dose the Edenpure save you money? I know others you spoke with like theirs, but it would be helpful to all readers to hear your experience. Some Of there customers are saving and are willing to talk about it. And Sylvania's bulb life testing, like all other lamp manufacturers, is performed in still air with infrequent on/off cycles (once a day to once a week). Are Eden pure trying to rip you off. I guess after all those years pushing Sears tools, Villa decided to push yet another scam. Also, dont buy Cub Cadet. Always open. Why do you think they would do that? A good quality heat pump with good ductwork WILL outperform straight resistance electric heat. It's CFM rate is horrible vs. a fan forced electric heater. The memos, allegedly written in 1972 and 1973, were obtained by CBS News producer Mary Mapes and freelance journalist Michael Smith, from Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, a former US Army National Guard officer. It doesn't mater what's inside the box. I realized that this was the start of giving me the run around. If it runs 15 minutes out of every hour, it is only delivering 8,000 btus. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. It just says if you use an Eden Pure heater to do "zone heating"I you will save money. Your heating in the northern regions will typically average somewhere around $500/month. I am very comfortable with leaving the Eden Pure on at night and while I am away so when I return, the house is not cold, plus I have the assurance that my pets are not going to be burned or turn over a smaller, lighter heater burning them and possibly burning the house down. Unfortunately, most don't pay enough attention or don't care about the consumer. A well designed heater can produce far more heated CFM than a poorly designed heater. I see the infomercial all over DirecTV. Whether it saves more money than all the others is not the issue. I would not recommend this product to anyone who is trying to save money while trying to stay warm. P.S. It is now the 12th of Jan. and no heater. The heater is a point source of heat. 4) Contrary to this article and many of its posts, the reason why infrared heaters have been so successful is not because of slick marketingprimarily it has been word of mouth. Again, the EdenPure AND ANY HEATER using 1500 watts is going to cost too much to use as your only heat. Electric heating is a process in which electrical energy is converted directly to heat energy at around 100% efficiency, [contradictory] using rather cheap devices. Turned on in December. For those of you who have high summer bills, I saved $1500 over the spring and summer months by setting my thermostat on 80 degrees and using floor fans (not box fans, but those on a stand, those that put out a lot of air). The heat output from an electric heater goes directly into the room, without being lost to the leaky ductwork, that may be part of the reason that people observe that the electric heaters (edenPure or otherwise) appear to "solve their heating problems" !! Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. Ok Bob Yila lets stand behind your product and give me my money back now Do a cost comparison yourself. My Gen 4 burned out in 2 years, Eden pure company claims they will send me new quartz heating tubes but I want Bob Villa here to fix it!!!! I can prove that is nonsense in 3 seconds in my house. You have to have a control then you have to know all of the temperatures outside, the amount of insulation, the temps in the house, the furnace size and type (gas , electric, propane) how 'tight' the house is and several other factors. Which means you get 100% of what it cost you. Only if you needed this type Of heater. I first spent a few dollars on insulation(extra)it paid off! U CANT HEAT HOT WATER DUH! That claim of a 20,000 bulb life in an Edenpure heater is completely false. Storage heaters work by storing heat generated by cheap night-time electricity and releasing this heat during the day Most storage heaters are wall-mounted and look a bit like radiators. Get them sealed (don't use 'duct tape', go to a Home Depot or other type store or your htg and A/c dealer or service person and ask them what type sealing tape or other to seal the ductwork). Burkett, William W. (Galena, MO, US) Burkett, Glenda Sue (Galena, MO, US) Application Number: 10/996346 . References. In any case, you can reach the exactly the same result with what EdenPure promises, for a fraction of the cost. Realize that Villa talks about all of the heat loss from the furnace ductwork, then tells you to turn the rest of your house down to 65deg (using this same furnace he rails about)and the EP will keep you toasty, ROFL. Asked store manager about the eden pure heater and when we looked online, the same 1500 watt unit is rated at the same 5000+ btu's. Heating the ceramic creates a more even heat. THINK ABOUT IT. So reliability can be good or bad. There just selling an alternative that has good and bad points like everything else on the market. This may be because their previous forced-air system ductwork had or developed leaks, or something was wrong with air-flow on their system (clogged filters !!) Burgers were wonderfully juicy, with the buns toasted on the flat top before assembly, so we got the full old fashioned greasy, buttery effect. If they did, they would have to absorb water, wouldn't they. The newer model 1000XL is still$59.00. I purchased a gen4 2 months ago and could not find I was saving any money since Im all electric.I have notified the co I want to return the heater for a refund and they keep giving me the run around about sending me an RMA and the prepaid UPS slip to ship the unit back to them.after reading some of the other complaints I'm wandering if I will ever get a slip. Look at your furnace's btu rating. I live in the South, and that is high for me (keep in mind I have not experienced this because I have not used it 24 hours a day). AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. Space heater with pretreated heat exchanger Patent number: 7046918 Now, if you doubt that I read that or that it can be true, the next one I copied and pasted for the guy who said 1500 watts is 1500 watts and will put out the same. Go to the Home Depot, Lowe's, Cosco etc., and choose the heater out of couple of dozens designs they have there. are surprised when they experience comfortable, cost-efficiently operating systems in other manufactured homes. The man in the commercial who stated he saved so much money that he bought two more and his electricity was half CANNOT be correct unless he is not using his EdenPures round the clock like we usually use our central. EdenPURE claims stretch the truth. A 50-gallon, 5,500-watt water heater with a .90 EF and an electricity rate of $.16 per kilowatt hour will cost $781 to operate each year. If I spend less, good. F0r reference, 1000 hours is about 42 days of continuous run time. I am preparing to do that now. I don't doubt people are saving money using the Eden Pure heater because "zone heating"I has to save money by not heating unused areas. Heat from #2 fuel oil burning furnace will cost you $33.25 for 1 million btus, if you are paying $3.58 per gallon. Once these last bulbs burn out, I will no longer use this over priced heater. Kinko's", "CBS Says It Can't Vouch for Bush Documents", "THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: MILITARY SERVICE; An Ex-Officer Now Believes Guard Memo Isn't Genuine", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Burkett&oldid=1005909946, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 10 February 2021, at 01:33. I saw Bob Vila's very convincing infomercial and I agree that space heating rooms might be more efficient than a leaky whole-house system, and it does seem logical that one 1500 watt 5000 btu space heater shouldn't be any better than another, but I would be interested to know if any Eden Pure owners have actually found this second point to be true. Payment options through Shop Pay Installments are subject to an eligibility check and are provided by these lending partners: [affirm.com/lenders]. I have a Master of Science degree in Electrical Engineering, so I can tell you with precision that EdenPure's claims are false and misleading. It is designed for heated or cooled air to go through only the vents of the zones you have on. Would i buy this. Water Heater Installation Cost. [1] Everybody is forsale for a price Even BOB VILLA. Your info states 1000 cubic ft but the edenpure.com states 1000 sq ft. you also do no state the type of heaters being compared so this is not an apples to apples comparision just a guess. It is the wrong measurement for electric heat. I was specifically sold on Bob Vila's endorsement of the product thinking I can trust the home improvement guru. Was given to me as a gift and I'm looking to buy a second unit for my second floor. I might buy a DuraFlame simply because it is the same and half the price. The person who stated the baseboard is just as efficient may be right about it being as efficient, but only in the sense that it heats the room.
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