2022 SNOW Sprint Series A good portion of that weight difference is in the Hub's 10.3 . That guy who weighs 300lbs and gets 1st place in Cs for a month straight should be automatically upgraded to Bs and Bs to As. (Same effect in a sprint, just harder to isolate). How big of a problem is reverse weight doping? Put simply, ZwiftPower is a community-driven website that complements the Zwift app. Think of ZwiftPower, then, as something similar to Strava, only entirely Zwift-focused, and free! Not everyone has the same HRmax. I never reverse weight doped. We are both lighter riders and find the w/kg categorisation system frustrating (unfair even) but its what we have at the moment I think most people feel like they have a right to be competitive but this simply is not the case and ifRead more . That's pretty straightforward the usual email, username, password, terms and conditions so you won't have any trouble with this step. My weight is showing orange everytime. Other planned changes communicated last week, including plans to improve the reporting features in Zwift will be rolled out as planned. Next up is the most finicky part of the process finding your Zwift ID in order to connect your accounts. Im 170cm and currently 61kg with an ideal triathlon racing weight of 59kg. This is especially true if you are trying to ride with riders you possibly know locally or otherwise. Theres a bit of a fuss on the ZP forums at the moment about this form of sandbagging where people deliberately ride within the w/kg limits but are riding well below their potential ability. (a is tough and im struggling at max h/r for most of the race).Ive gone from 87kgs to 80 kgs in this time and feel fitter than ever. Generally weigh myself once a month. Im about to end up in the same situation (last races at 3.99, 3.98 and 3.99 W/kg) and Im not really worried about being promoted to A. 2 Likes _Jynxy_EVO (:)) October 1, 2021, 1:41pm #8 thxs mike, I don't think you can do it from the game itself. On a flat ride I would beat every sub 60kg cat B rider too. If someone on zwift holds an avg power at a given heart rate, then goes out on the road and holds that same heart rate but cannot sustain even close to that power, I am sorry, but that isnt physiology; that is hardware. True, but not necessarily in the way you think. When you're in the game, click "Menu". Some people, I think, just have a lower HR. Have you ever compared numbers for calories burned, power output and even elevation ridden for a Zwift ride uploaded to Strava? So what! I think theres another more interesting angle than just trying to stay down a category. The COVID-19 lockdown period, now in its third month around the world, has seen an unprecedented boom in virtual cycling. On the flats and descents she crushes her w/kg field. The rule set for the categories is so simple yet Id bet >99% dont understand it, to my knowledge cyclingRead more . I agree with what you say Eric but the weight doping does negatively impact the casual rider if they are following other riders in a casual/social ride. (better than any bike upgrade i could afford) Yes its great to win,but as long as you improve yourself who cares what anyone else does.You will always get cheaters,dodgy equipment and so on so just enjoyRead more . Click on the Settings button and you'll find the Trainer Difficulty slider. I know its just virtual but my godi hope they enjoy their lies. It just makes a mockery of the whole system. Im glad you wrote about this. Here it is in its entirety: Last week we outlined a number of planned changes to address harassment and further safeguard the health and wellbeing of the Zwift Community. The winners are almost always people with recorded weights sub 70kgs, more typically 65kgs, even 59! I would thought with how sensitive the sensors are they could place another one somewhere on the unit that simply does the job and takes away all the manual input. I love reading it. Zwift essentially encourages people to be less than truthful about their weight. Id say physics does! Then weigh yourself, and open Zwift, and see if it reflects the change. Zwift now allows for hiding Zwift automatically connects If you don't own power meter pedals, Zwift's non-contract pricing for a Zwift cycling membership is $15 . You can record your weight n height n have it verified by experts etc up to five minutes before an event. Whether w/kg is the appropriate way to categorise races is anotherRead more , As a 92kg rider, with a w/kg FTP of 289 (or 3.14 w/kg) I wholeheartedly agree. Thats the reason why a results category would be more interesting like Erics suggested in his topic. This is real frustrating as hes a top u12 racer and wants to see his efforts recognise. I dont know why this is, but i dont care one bit if people are cheating. The only way for complete cheat free racing is in the zwift Pro race which is all done in a single room with all riders together. Share your thoughts below! yes, but you are missing my point. How about simply showing a percentage variance. But it highlights a bigger problem, and that is the fundamental flaw of using watts per kilo for race categorization. Sandbagging is pointless if winning means youre going to move up (unless you want to take 3 months off after your win. I agree with your idea. People can be far to either direction im 25 and my max that I have hit is 217. However, insecure Freds jumpingRead more , I am new to Zwift, but I do wonder how it is youll see a bunch of people finish at the front of a D race at 4-5 W/kg. They CANNOT win. Just like the CEO promised us rowing years ago, right? Zwift lets you adjust the difficulty of your workout, before or even during your ride. In spectacular and shocking fashion. There's a forum, too, so that users can discuss ongoing race series, find out about upcoming events and have any queries answered and problems solved. That is pretty low compared to most people on zwiftpower. I currently use the Garmin Smart Scale so I may invest in the Withings scale. See how you can support Zwift Insider! Whats the cheaters solution? Do some races have split out start times so you are only racing with those of similar ability? Im the opposite. Im 70 inches tall and 156 pounds right now vs 166lb on Jan 1. When a rider can change categories by modifying their virtual body weight, thats an issue. While the benefits of being light fully kick in while climbing a mountain (as it is easier for smaller guys to achieve certain w/kg), the benefits of being a tall and strong guy dont fully apply in the flats. Blaming Zwift for eating disorders is not sensible. I completely missed these as I reinvented the wheel, trying to stir up the hornets nest on the Zwift forums the other day. This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. heavy riders have an advantage on flat courses.. https://zwiftinsider.com/wkg-tests/ plus 60-70kg is perferctly normal body weight for adult cyclists, nothing worth complaining about. What stone have you been living under? All the emphasis on physical metrics makes sense for putting together how speed is calculated but not how one can race. How Do I Change My FTP On Zwift? As we said in the first post, "Assuming race organizers can access the data via ZwiftPower, and the site includes simple tools for spotting potential weight or height dopers (perhaps flagging those who made dramatic changes recently), then hiding weight and height data from the public should work swimmingly." What you see a lot are riders who are (claiming) to be really light with decent but not exceptional watts. You could attend races where all categories go together (same start, all riders visible) for a while if you find that to be more fun Bath If I am racing I want to be able to look across at the guy/girl next to me (ie on the Companion app) and get an idea if they are going to kill me on the next hill, or not are they a 185cm/90kg guy versus my 172cm/74kg. IRead more , Aaron, do you know what is the wattage requirement for Cat A? In real life, Id dust that guy. The key phrase there is have the same W/kg its very easy to boost your W/kg simply tell Zwift you are lighter than you really are. yea but realistically is it worth it for them to dedicate the resources to that $$$$$$$, Well, thats good news. If you were to meet meRead more . I think one of the biggest issues with weight (and height) in Zwift is that you get punished really hard for something you only have limited control over. So I dont expect to be as competitive vs. a pure cyclist. I was just naturally heavy and it put me at the top of the C class in w/kg. EZ and self regulating. Joining ZwiftPower isn't the most straightforward series of steps, but we've broken it down so you can get started as soon as possible. Its funny, I was talking to one of my work colleagues who also Zwifts about AdZ and how because Im heavier (125kg / 276lbs) I would never be a sub 60m AdZ rider (I reckon Im looking at sub 2 hours, if lucky), Ive never once considered weight doping, sure I know I could but why would I? I was told that was possible but I couldnt see how. Remember - Zwift is a trainingplatform.. and if a rider feels his/hers motivation to ride, is higher when entering 'wrong' it's ok with me..AND obviously with Zwift too. Secondly, Zwifts statement says they agree there is a need for tools that deliver greater transparency to Zwift racing. Thats good to see, and we completely agree! I dont mind the low HRs but the low power and high w/kg really irk me! bottom line for me, its a virtual training world, a virtual hammer isnt the same as a real hammer. I agree WTRL ZRL races dont feel like they have cheaters. If other people want to obsess about my weight thats up to them but I wont. You lose 10 liters of sweat during a medium long ride? (and dont do organized rides for fairness) so I dont have resistance changes and sometimes zwift reports extraordinary power readings for a ride. Once you have a number for your FTP in watts, divide it by your weight in kilograms. Future state can add a nominal cost to said license to support clean racing via Zwift tech updates. I once made myself much heavier so I could compete against my 11-year-old son in a head to head Zwift climbing race. Even some of the regulated weight rides will give 2kg leeway. There are two ways to do this. Also a really frustrating thing is why doesnt Zwift autoRead more , is he riding in the right category? The categories currently used in most Zwift events are based on your FTP watts per kilo- that is, your FTP in watts, divided by your weight in kilograms. Someone sandbagging will get promoted out of category and will not be allowed to reg for lower categories. Read on for our guide on how the app works, how to get set up, and how to analyse your racing. Todd_S (Todd S) March 12, 2015, 3:09am #4 I'm new to the app. , Myself being a lighter rider who fluctuates some 2kg during a week I tend to always use my upper weight giving me a lower Wkg. I have tended to notice that a significant number of powerful zwifters real world Strava performances pale in comparison to their online achievements. On one occasion I entered a flat race (Laguardia Loop) following my ZP category (class C), finished almost three minutes down (though since it was a small field I still got third place), and then was disqualified for averaging 3.6 w/kg and 206 watts. Zwift doesn't need a fancy code fix, they don't need special anti-cheat software, special post race investigations, and they don't need to change anything other than when the game updates personal attributes. Why try to force IRL parameters that can not be enforced. If people want to cheat, they will and can do so in any uncontrolled situation. Now head back to ZwiftPower, click 'Connect' at the top of the page, then enter your Zwift ID in the box when prompted. But for most riders watts per kilo rules the day, determining which category you race in Zwift. Check out this FAQ for some of our frequently asked questions: Q:&. Weight doping is a key challenge for cycling esports to overcome, and its one reason why many big races (e.g., those with prize money) require riders to show up and weigh in on-location in a supervised environment. My 3.9w/kg (a new PR!) In order to ride with him I have to drop my weight to allow me to keep up. While most Zwifters seemed to understand and even appreciate the intent behind the change, there was concern that removing this information would result in increased height/weight doping. Hes asking for a fair race. IRL I am 85kgs and cant pretend to be 65kgs. Which brings me to todays topic: reverse weight doping. This raised concerns within the Zwift Racing Community regarding fairness in racing. Good heavens man, the sentence before You do you says If its not done during a competitive Zwift event, I dont see it as a problem. Obviously weight doping in races is cheating and not acceptable. In fact, the only riders at or below my w/kg were minutes off the back. Why not ride to your strengths? however 2 riders at the same w/kg, heavier riders have the advantage on flats & descents: https://zwiftinsider.com/wkg-tests/. ZwiftPower - Login Please update your Zwift ID on the connection page to complete registration. For the time being, height and weight will remain visible on ZwiftPower. This is pretty timely for me as my FTP is 283 and my weight is currently 71.2kg. I understand if someone has a banner day or just bumped up out of upper C to lower B. Taking weight out of the equation you could just make everyones avatar moving forward by holding down the up arrow on their keyboard. It all has to do with the way Zwifts racing categories work. That a cat rider may win a d race but on zwiftpower they will be DQd for not riding an A race. With racer categories? Chip on the shoulder there or what? I started zwifting about 2 1/2 months ago.I did the ftp test and put in the correct weight.Ive no idea how precise my trainer is tho.what i do know is,Ive managed to go from cat c to a. Our expert reviewers spend hours testing and comparing products and services so you can choose the best for you. I disagree with you on this point. Racers who get top 1,2,3 more than a few times get upgraded period. As a 96kg, 51 year old with an FTP of 317 and a resting HR of about 48 (and a theoretical maximum HR of 174) Im not sure why my lower HR during an event should seen as suspicious. We check over 250 million products every day for the best prices. If thats not something that needs fixing then why run any races? Ill remain skeptical until I see some actual changes. was the lowest of top 15 riders. Whilst this might be the case, as Eric implies in flat races light weight riders have to work harder to stay in touch with the heavier riders in the bunch. Updating Your Privacy Settings in Zwift Companion To update your default privacy settings, sign in to the Zwift Companion (ZC) app on your iOS or Andro. Thats not what I recall at all, everything is a race, even if you werent aware . Whatever your answer, some people will never like it, but there has to be a clear, credible answer for the majority to support. The Tour de Zwift events this year were much moreRead more , Wait. Completing this first step means that you've given permission to share your results and activity history with ZwiftPower, so now all of your performance and race data can be transferred across to the website. Can someone answer why we need the different categories? It's possible to check just about any kind of Zwift result using ZwiftPower, with the website sortable by leagues, race series and segments. plain and simple. Terms of Use/DMCA Copyright Policy If I wanted to win I just drop my weight to 65kgs 350w/65kgs is a lot better than 350w/85kgs, of course 350w/65kg is better than 350w/85kg, its a massive increase in w/kg. As Ive posted elsewhere, I like having weight available at my fingertips so I can use it to plan the TTT rotation (I like going heavy/light/heavy/light to avoid the big guys pulling away on flats/descents or the little guys pulling away on climbs, plus one category of rider tends to get exhausted on any given route if I plan my pull times incorrectly, so its nice not having 2 people in a row suddenly need to skip a pull). Bump your Zwift weight up to 84kg and even with your new and improved 260-watt FTP youre only at 3.1 w/kg! In a race not in Zwift it is very easy for people to recongize who I am. otherwise no way in hell hes beating you. We can name and shame these few. But I get beaten by lots of other zwifters, even on flat courses. On Zwift Power categories have both a wattage requirement and a w/kg requirement. Weight doping is only a serious issue when its done in competition. Im older heavier and relativily fit. I now know of over 20 category D zwift users that have said theyre not going to bother with the Zwift races anymore. Heres an idea: Take weigh out of the equation. I am always passed by everyone on the way up but can usually catch up on the way down (190cm/93kg). On Zwift, weight dopers seek to gain an advantage by entering a lower-than-life weight into their Zwift profile. Since we know that lighter weight=higher virtual speed, this is a very easy way to cheat the system on Zwift. If I feel happy in my body thats the most important thing for me, and why I rarely weigh myself. there seems to be a lot of variability in power products and what people are using to feed into zwift. My FTP/kg is 3.88, which I now know would make me a B racer (3.2-3.9). Just the fact that you need a third party (ZP) to validate race results really says it all. What if you are super committed and gain the weight in real life just so you can stay in the category , Excellent posts on perhaps the most serious non-hardware problem in Zwift right now. I tried racing a D race, and finished way off the front behind about 2/3 of riders after Id ridden at 2.9W/kg for the race. My last ride I spotted 35kg lad who last week was 56kg. However, I have a lighter and faster son that smokes me head to head. Why not only require weight and height for entry to A and B races? (I dont recommend this approach, but it proves the point that weight doping is an issue that concerns many Zwift racers. First up, you'll have to head to Zwift.com and log in, then click on Settings > Profile > Connections and choose 'opt-in' under the ZwiftPower logo. And flags height and weight changes if they go up or down alot. Hahahahaha. As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). Zwift is full of cheaters and thats not going to change now. IRL if your weight is 85kg, itll take you longer to climb the Ventoux than if your weight is 65. If someone dopes so they do 4w/kg then they should be racing with other people who do 4w/kg. The six-digit number highlighted in bold will be your Zwift ID. I rode outside last night, and Im sure I will again soon. Frustrating to someone who tries so hard to compete in my weight class to get beat by cheaters. I think it would be best if there was a separate cat system for flat routes (based on watts) and for hilly routes (based on w/kg), My understanding is that Zwift still applies real world physics to this situation, and maybe the article doesnt allude to it, in that on the flat Zwift wont use w/kg to drive speed but your pure watts. He argues hes not gaining an advantage. My 3 race FTP is at 4.07w/kg (248w @ 61kg), but Im still in Cat B. First, it shows that theyre listening to the community. (Its not the only part, of course! People still rode at B level pace in a C group. Find out more about how we test. The race categories end up looking something like this (taken from the current Tour of Watopia race events): ZwiftPower, home of official race results for community races, adds some pure wattage breakpoints to the above list to help lightweight riders stay competitive. Doing this will bring up a box at the bottom of the browser showing a web address something similar to: https://s3-fit-prd-uswest2-zwift.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/000000/a2e1b7f8-27610843. Cheapest Zwift setup: Everything to help you onto Zwift for the first time Many riders is talking about cheating, when someone enters a lower category but it's not, in my opinion. A strict w/kg classification isnt perfect. If you've already created an accountcheck out the s. Otherwise I stand by my comment. (ignoring that it evens out and you have the advantage on the hills but lets ignore that because its all about you and you should always podium in every race in your life, because mommy told you that you were special and big mean Zwift is making you work so hard on the flats). Its only a bit of fun at my level (solid B with the odd podium). Take one of our four FTP tests to determine your FTP. I rarely race, don't care. If the categories are split using purely w/kg a lighter rider doesnt have any advantage up the climbs at all. also interesting about this equation are the: wattage data points and the zwift computations of W/Kg. Well Eric, my weight is plummeting, and Ill probably be taking a break from Zwift over the summer, so Im sure the upgrade is coming very soon!!! Im quite heavy, at about 85kgs, but also 183cms tall (and 52 years old). They do? why because of weight, not power. Eric runs Zwift Insider in his spare time when he isn't on the bike or managing various business interests. No one is going to lose or gain 5kg overnight or shrink a 1cm. I never thought i should weigh myself with my kit on. Choose a Zwift workout, but before you start riding look at the workout breakdown on the left side of the screen. I dont think so. If it still doesn't work email zwiftpower@zwift.com and they should be able to sort. No race Chester worth their salt pops in and changed weight ahead of a race, what they do is post the wrong weight and leave it there. But Its hard to confirm whether or not its transmitting the weight to Zwift. Id never do this as my Zwift Power is an accurate log of weight and power but it does make me wonder how much easier itd be to be bigger. You do you. I may try and snag a couple of cat C golds before taking the break, but definitely wont be reverse weight doping to do so the upgrade to B will be a bigger prize than any gold medal. You should do much better at your actual weight in that case. Last week I did the prl full and Uber pretzel and tried to get #1 by weight on those segments. I think the Zwift algorithm is quite relevant because it implies a good workout in any race for any kind of rider (and thats what we are looking for). Im surprised that (off wheel) smart trainers dont have the ability to weigh the rider when they get on the bike. Or theyll ignore leaders instructions and ride off the front of a group (flyers). Yes, smaller riders have less frontal area, but the difference in CdA isnt that much. Hardly true Say you train and commit yourself to being honest to achieve better fitness,and also better results, albeit virtually..then someone finishes better than you solely because of the BS numbers they entered. The algorithms very much help heavier riders in descents, which gets forgotten when all we discuss is climbing. Skinny guys get DQd if they match heavies on the flat for power so they can NEVER win, even in the mountains. This would cover submission and review of a private video showing height and weight which would result in a check mark on ZP showing this rider was height/weight verified. Nekkid and I only update my weight in zwift if it moves more than a KG. Hi Using HRM is difficult as well as you max HRM changes with age mine is 159 flat out but I am over 60. Some people are clearly living in a fantasy on zwift. Contribute a post, shop through us, make a donation, advertise on this site. In fact, if in a long ride your weight could change by more than 1kg over the course of that one ride!!! Incrasing virtual weight would probaly downgrade me to B again. Thats hilarious. Its more fun and engaging that way, for me at least. But I also did it because I knew it was great practice! Just short of my 68th birthday I still dont see any point in cheating. Zwift excessively rewards the athlete for being light and small. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. All this makes me laugh. Its also why the Zwift Transparency Facebook group was created, where racers post videos of themselves weighing in using a particular protocol which makes it difficult to fake your numbers. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. You enter a real race,out in the world, you are ready to finish in the top 20 for your best result of your life,then out of the blue a dirt bike rides past you goes tabletop and crossesRead more .
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