I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. . I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. G. Joined: Sep 2009. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. would follow that tradition. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. It is capable of driving a. The trouble is, they didnt sell. I have no experience with the Norma mag. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. 35 Whelen. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. Not necessarily top dollar everything. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. As it was released in the first century of the . An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. The softpoints were used for the various antelope species, dangerous cats and even buffalo, while the full-patch, non-expanding solids would be used on elephant. Follow along to see exactly how. And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. Mag. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Mag. Mag. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. They are a little short initially and after two firings they were just fine. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. was introduced in 1955. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. The .35 Whelen fires a larger .358 bullet and is therefore right at the cusp of being a big game caliber and is capable of handling everything except . In the years since, the .35 Rem. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Mag. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. The .358 Norma Mag. With the 250-grain bullet, it's better than the .30-06 on heavy game at close ranges. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. Spl. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? The 358 Norma is a sure mag round, but expensive ammo and brass. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. and the .32 Win. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. from my E.R. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Any of these will handle just about any big game one might hunt with a .358 Norma, where you want to employ its ample knockdown power. The Swedish firm of A.B. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. It never got up. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. .470 Nitro Express. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. lbs. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. to achieve its potential. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I have become a 35 cal. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. All rights reserved. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. ), but with considerably less recoil. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. Thats the primary game for many of us, but one size doesnt fit all. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. I see no reason to shy away from it. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? By Layne Simpson. How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. You know the kind with the locking bolt. The .300 Rem. If you handload your ammunition, it will make feeding a .358 Norma that much easier, just realize you wont find ammunition at a general store, or even at most gun shops, for that matter. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. The .358 Win. Of the three, only the .358 Norma has not become a standard chambering. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. Recoil was completely manageable, and it inspired me to begin the journey of having my own .350 Rigby rifle built. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. | in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. Perhaps thats why it has survived. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. I have a .356 Win. Ive obviously left the door wide open. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. Thanks for any thoughts. Campfire 'Bwana. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. from my E.R. Then come the .30s, and now were talking business. .50 BMG. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. Mag. It has never failed me. Not so the .358 Norma. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. Im voting no. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Mag. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Thought about that 375 Ruger but nah. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. What keeps it alive? Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. bruce. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. necked up to .35 caliber. with a similar 180-grain bullet. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Thats a question I just dont understand. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy.
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